like biden said, you have to put us out in the culture and see who we are. if we're flawed it has nothing to do with our orientation. it's because we're human beings. >> as people know more gay people, as more people come out that tends to start to soften attitudes about gay rights. is there an extension as people are exposed through culture or tv that that also has that affect? >> absolutely. people come up to me like they know me because i appear on their television. >> they want you to bully them. >> say something mean to me. they think we're they're friends. we do befriend the people on our television. the creator of our show takes this seriously. that's why he has ever flavor of kid in the glee club. he wants every kid to have somebody they can point to and go that's me and look i'm being supported. i'm in place where people have my back and i get to raise my voice in song. >> i always felt like one of the things that i would always try to explain to people about what i learned from junior high and high school is that popularity doesn't buy you anything